Author Topic: Covid  (Read 218532 times)

Re: Covid
« Reply #165 on: May 14, 2021, 04:44:02 AM »
It’s like this: because you are a weak, effeminate man you crave cruel muscularture of fascism. It’s like if the court jester made fun of the peasantry instead of the powerful. It’s viewed as a giant ass-kiss to power and tends to inspire hatred in those who witness it.

Hatred? tsk tsk.  I would make fun of commies but there aren't any on here except maybe Roz and she is new and I need her help with bread.

Re: Covid
« Reply #166 on: May 14, 2021, 04:49:31 AM »
Hatred? tsk tsk.  I would make fun of commies but there aren't any on here except maybe Roz and she is new and I need her help with bread.

I didn’t say that I hate you, only that I understand why you’re such a contemptible suck-up. You want to inspire hatred, from a certain cross section of the population, anyway. Being a Christian I endeavor to not to give you the satisfaction of succumbing to it. That doesn’t mean I’m blind or retarded though. ;)

Re: Covid
« Reply #167 on: May 14, 2021, 05:11:37 AM »
I didn’t say that I hate you, only that I understand why you’re such a contemptible suck-up. You want to inspire hatred, from a certain cross section of the population, anyway. Being a Christian I endeavor to not to give you the satisfaction of succumbing to it. That doesn’t mean I’m blind or retarded though. ;)

Maybe I suck up to papi because I like heem.  But the rest of you I take on singlehandedly poor things, are you being repressed?  Grow some balls.

Re: Covid
« Reply #168 on: May 14, 2021, 05:40:43 AM »
I think it is just me vilifying here and I am having a great time doing it!  But I am teasing so bad.  You guys are just like my uncles  :-*

I figured you were teasing. But it is actually providing good practice for those who are not. I know you believe that it is just you vilifying- but there are thousands right behind you who are not teasing. I have used the whole "Germany yellow star" thing in my real life. I may as well be politically incorrect if somebody already dislikes me because of my choice.

I have also told a select few the real reasons I am not getting vaxed. No- it is not because I believe the nanobots will turn me gay or that I will be the second person in my whole country to drop dead of a blood clot.

Re: Covid
« Reply #169 on: May 14, 2021, 05:56:32 AM »
What does that even mean?  I just live my life, dutifully get poked and wear my mask and ignore all your portentous doom fantasies, and tease you guys a little and I get dire talk of yellow stars, fascism, and the usual apocalyptic can-kicking -- "ok it didn't happen this time, but what about next time?"  No, of all the fruits, the fig is the one fruit you can truly say I do not give.

I don't know- maybe you live in a different society than me. But I do not know a single person who believes that things will go back to "normal." When there is open discussion of turning a group into second class citizens (again, my country- not necessarily yours) and the government are the ones leading the discussion, it is a little worrisome.

They are openly discussing the idea that you may not be allowed to grocery shop without a vaccine. I'm sorry- but that is a little concerning when the most powerful people in a country are talking of this. And the general citizen appears to be backing it. Another manager at my company was openly wanting the government to start throwing people into prison for not following mandates.

While your country is opening, mine is throwing a preacher into prison for not making his flock mask up or distance. Actual jail on the orders of an unelected doctor.* So yes. We may not be quite to the point of yellow stars. But when the virus comes roaring back, if you don't think that people are going to be looking for who to blame (and set their sights on the unvaxed who must identify themselves in public by wearing a mask) then I believe you may not be paying attention to human nature.

On a side note, did you happen to catch that the worlds MOST VACCINATED nation of Seychelles is back in lock down? 62% of the citizens have two shots. 65% of the cases are those who have 0 or only 1 shot. Do you think that people are happy to be locked up again at home? Possibly they are looking for who is to blame? (not the 35% of fully vaccinated individuals who still have Covid.)

*I actually had some dealings with Art Pelowski. He was (and probably still is) a jackass. But jail seems a little over the top as punishment for a small group of probably 25 consenting adults to be in a room together. They left a rodeo of 3000 people alone. Strange that they would be targeting somebody to make a point. Pick on the ultra religions (and abrasive) individual to garner initial support.

Finally, realize that while you are teasing, I am enjoying the conversation as well. I don't think anybody is really mad- alternate points of view are good to see. I know that yellow stars is over the top- but it is to make a point. I assume that you don't really hold strongly to everything you have to say to make a point or tease and sometimes have to inflate things to make a point? Despite that, I believe the underlying point to be valid- and I really am a little concerned looking at our politicians and this massive power grab.

Re: Covid
« Reply #170 on: May 14, 2021, 07:34:18 AM »
What does that even mean?  I just live my life, dutifully get poked and wear my mask and ignore all your portentous doom fantasies, and tease you guys a little and I get dire talk of yellow stars, fascism, and the usual apocalyptic can-kicking -- "ok it didn't happen this time, but what about next time?"  No, of all the fruits, the fig is the one fruit you can truly say I do not give.

So, is Dr. Michael Yeadon a dangerous conspiracy theorist or just an old crank like Dr. Vernon Coleman?

Asking for a few wayward souls who need a good admonishment.

https://lockdownsceptics.org/lies-damned-lies-and-health-statistics-the-deadly-danger-of-false-positives/

https://rumble.com/vbfcsj-dr.-mike-yeadon-pfizers-former-vice-president-and-chief-scientist-for-aller.html


Re: Covid
« Reply #171 on: May 14, 2021, 10:11:48 AM »
Maybe I suck up to papi because I like heem.  But the rest of you I take on singlehandedly poor things, are you being repressed?  Grow some balls.

Well, those are almost sentences. The ones I have work just fine, thanks.

Re: Covid
« Reply #172 on: May 14, 2021, 10:19:42 AM »
you may not be paying attention to human nature.

this massive power grab.

He’s too busy being supergay.

Re: Covid
« Reply #173 on: May 14, 2021, 05:02:46 PM »
I don't know- maybe you live in a different society than me. But I do not know a single person who believes that things will go back to "normal." When there is open discussion of turning a group into second class citizens (again, my country- not necessarily yours) and the government are the ones leading the discussion, it is a little worrisome.

They are openly discussing the idea that you may not be allowed to grocery shop without a vaccine. I'm sorry- but that is a little concerning when the most powerful people in a country are talking of this. And the general citizen appears to be backing it. Another manager at my company was openly wanting the government to start throwing people into prison for not following mandates.

While your country is opening, mine is throwing a preacher into prison for not making his flock mask up or distance. Actual jail on the orders of an unelected doctor.* So yes. We may not be quite to the point of yellow stars. But when the virus comes roaring back, if you don't think that people are going to be looking for who to blame (and set their sights on the unvaxed who must identify themselves in public by wearing a mask) then I believe you may not be paying attention to human nature.

I think if you do not know anyone who believes things are going back to normal, it might be good to seek a few out to balance all that dooming purely for sanity's sake.  We do live in different societies:  Canada's vaxx rate is 4% whereas I live in a 50% area.  Naturally the governments in those two places, who believe the route back to normalcy lies through mass vaccination, are going to be making very different noises.

I think most people who get it understand the risk of early adoption (probably not as good as promised, might make things worse) but balance that with potential personal and societal benefits.  I just want to go to the beach.  The vaccines are an educated guess based on a long history, and you are perfectly right to be skeptical about these ones.  Everybody is guessing here.  But the minute you take your skepticism beyond personal choice and start sharing your links and videos and whatever rumbles are to a like-minded audience you are venturing into advocacy, into politics, and like everything else, your personal health choices have been sucked into the maelstrom.

This is a little nest of suspicious anti-vaxxers, just look at Walks's poll he took.  I was the only sheeple.  I like how you guys say you are not anti-vaxxers -- because that is an embarrassing bunch of hypochondriac superkaren mommy-bloggers -- but then do exactly the same thing.  If you really believe the doomer stuff, why not cheer us lemmings as we tumble headlong over the cliff?

The truth is you don't really believe it -- I know -- you are just guessing like everyone else and seeking likeminded company to reinforce your tentative conclusions and huddle to await the apocalypse together.  I just think it is funny, an apple cart I am compelled to try to upset.

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On a side note, did you happen to catch that the worlds MOST VACCINATED nation of Seychelles is back in lock down? 62% of the citizens have two shots. 65% of the cases are those who have 0 or only 1 shot. Do you think that people are happy to be locked up again at home? Possibly they are looking for who is to blame? (not the 35% of fully vaccinated individuals who still have Covid.)

Yes, it has been covered extensively, Time, Newsweek, not exactly hidden -- it seems nobody knows for sure what is happening yet.  However it kind of makes sense that, if the virus has mutated beyond the vaccine's reach like the flu sometimes does, this is what it would look like.  Maybe they will rush another shot around the world, who knows?  Meanwhile, I will go to the beach.

I just think it is hilarious that people were able to get, or not get, the old annual flu shot, the closest analogy we have to this vaccine, without hollering at each other about politics and doom.  That is what sanity would look like.

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Finally, realize that while you are teasing, I am enjoying the conversation as well. I don't think anybody is really mad- alternate points of view are good to see. I know that yellow stars is over the top- but it is to make a point. I assume that you don't really hold strongly to everything you have to say to make a point or tease and sometimes have to inflate things to make a point? Despite that, I believe the underlying point to be valid- and I really am a little concerned looking at our politicians and this massive power grab.

Whew, good to know!  Yes I like provoking things, especially with the mask and vax connection which to people like me isn't a big deal -- last time I was halfway home from the store before I realized I still had mine on -- but I figured might make you guys crazy.

Re: Covid
« Reply #174 on: May 14, 2021, 05:20:12 PM »
So, is Dr. Michael Yeadon a dangerous conspiracy theorist or just an old crank like Dr. Vernon Coleman?

Asking for a few wayward souls who need a good admonishment.

https://lockdownsceptics.org/lies-damned-lies-and-health-statistics-the-deadly-danger-of-false-positives/

https://rumble.com/vbfcsj-dr.-mike-yeadon-pfizers-former-vice-president-and-chief-scientist-for-aller.html

The PCR stuff is old news, anyone the least bit familiar with paleontology or archaeology knows that technology is designed to amplify ancient degraded DNA to reconstruct whole genomes, its application to virus testing is questionable.  As is its susceptibility to contamination -- they are constantly going back and retesting old stuff and saying the earlier science was bad/not careful.  If you notice about six months ago politicians turned from testing to hospitalizations as a measure of severity which, since that was the whole premise of the lockdowns, is entirely appropriate.

I am happy for doctors like Yeadon to debate the ethics of vaccinating people at minimal risk, that is what they should do.  As I pointed out yesterday, the potential for blood clotting problems being discussed quite openly is approaching the potential for dying of covid if you catch it as a middle-aged person.  Neither of those figures is at all certain but both appear substantially less than my chances of dying in a car crash this year so I ain't worried.

Re: Covid
« Reply #175 on: May 14, 2021, 06:00:26 PM »
Highly placed people talking about returning to normal:

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"I think part of the problem before this was that there was something of a mixed message: The vaccines are very effective, but you still have to wear a mask," Dowdy said. "This is now a strong statement that we know these vaccines work, and for those who are fully vaccinated, it's appropriate to take some steps toward living life a bit more normally."

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/s-science-convinced-cdc-lift-mask-mandates-rcna932

Re: Covid
« Reply #176 on: May 14, 2021, 06:25:56 PM »
More normalcy:

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This is a moment to celebrate. It is not quite the pandemic’s equivalent of V-E Day; after all, thousands of people are still dying around the world each day from a virus that, far from surrendering, may be endemic. But it could be the closest we get to a formal announcement from the federal government that, after months of death and sacrifice and ingenuity, something has been won. Call it normalcy.

As well as a damning indictment of everything that is wrong with what we have been told so far -- I will even forgive the use of "grok" which I despise:

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But the CDC’s approach to loosening its guidelines has always been tardy, timid, and tangled. In lieu of clear guidance, it has routinely delivered confusion and surprise, complicated our ability to grok this virus, and mostly done so in a way that followed the science—with a six-month lag. That’s how you get lurching shutdowns, hundreds of millions of dollars spent on hygiene theater, bans on beach walks, rules against outdoor bars, closed playgrounds, mass confusion about protecting ourselves and our families, and a large number of Americans who have tuned out public-health officials entirely. Guidance is overrated. We needed an actual guide.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/05/cdc-guidelines-masks-vaccinated-indoors/618883/

Re: Covid
« Reply #177 on: May 14, 2021, 06:32:13 PM »
The PCR stuff is old news, anyone the least bit familiar with paleontology or archaeology knows that technology is designed to amplify ancient degraded DNA to reconstruct whole genomes, its application to virus testing is questionable.  As is its susceptibility to contamination -- they are constantly going back and retesting old stuff and saying the earlier science was bad/not careful.  If you notice about six months ago politicians turned from testing to hospitalizations as a measure of severity which, since that was the whole premise of the lockdowns, is entirely appropriate.

I am happy for doctors like Yeadon to debate the ethics of vaccinating people at minimal risk, that is what they should do.  As I pointed out yesterday, the potential for blood clotting problems being discussed quite openly is approaching the potential for dying of covid if you catch it as a middle-aged person.  Neither of those figures is at all certain but both appear substantially less than my chances of dying in a car crash this year so I ain't worried.

People don't understand probability, they aren't wired to. They are programmed to crap themselves and run because it's what has kept the species alive over thousands of years so we can't expect them to change now.

Re: Covid
« Reply #178 on: May 14, 2021, 06:45:21 PM »
People don't understand probability, they aren't wired to. They are programmed to crap themselves and run because it's what has kept the species alive over thousands of years so we can't expect them to change now.

No that's the kind of supercilious talk that just alienates people.  Even monkeys understand risk (probability) and reward, which is why I think tying vaccinations to reopening and masks makes perfect sense and should have been done months ago.  You must bargain with people, not just call them dumb.  Sure they will squawk but that is part of the negotiating.

The truth is if it weren't for these stubborn old coots there are plenty of petty tyrants in public health who'd like to muzzle us indefinitely like parts of Asia.  I'm glad their recalcitrance finally got that issue on the table.

Re: Covid
« Reply #179 on: May 14, 2021, 06:51:25 PM »
No that's the kind of supercilious talk that just alienates people.  Even monkeys understand risk (probability) and reward, which is why I think tying vaccinations to reopening and masks makes perfect sense and should have been done months ago.  You must bargain with people, not just call them dumb.  Sure they will squawk but that is part of the negotiating.

The truth is if it weren't for these stubborn old coots there are plenty of petty tyrants in public health who'd like to muzzle us indefinitely like parts of Asia.  I'm glad their recalcitrance finally got that issue on the table.

It's not supercilious at all, we are all guilty of it, myself included. You have to unlearn these bad habits, and that takes the kind of work most people aren't prepared to do. People get freaked out over a product being maybe/possibly/slightly being carcinogenic. It's probably a trace element that is virtually harmless. Then they get in the car and drive to the store, which is more hazardous by several magnitudes.